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Re: unvaccinated hospitalized as a higher rate than the vaccinated, below has to do with why the unvaccinated were falsely overcounted in the US. I can't speak for other countries, but there seem to be parallels as this effort was clearly a coordinated global one. Also, I have read reports that in the US, in many hospitals those that were unvaccinated were treated much worse than those that were vaccinated, leading to a higher death rate, but I don't have those posts now. Sorry for the length, but the post below, but I think it's worth reading:

https://pierrekory.substack.com/p/nursing-reports-from-the-front-lines

This is a segment from the above referenced Dr. Pierre Kory’s substack post on why he believed many vaccinated hospital patients were incorrectly counted as Unvaccinated. (Besides the computer listing problem discussed below, Kory also discussed vaccination status being buried in hospital paperwork and false assumptions being made (and encouraged) that patients were unvaccinated, but I’m not sure if that was in this post or a different one.)

This is a quote from the above post:

Here is how I think they falsely suppressed the real rate of vaccinated patients entering U.S hospitals and dying:

In the most popular electronic medical record system in the U.S (EPIC), on the sidebar of every page in the chart are the name, demographics, room number, provider team, and COVID vaccination status of the patient. What I found weird from the outset was that, in EPIC, there were only two categories under the COVID-19 vaccine status section, “Vaccinated” or “Unknown.” There was no “Unvaccinated” status. Also realize that “Unknown” was interpreted by all providers and official data as akin to being “Unvaccinated”. Everyone I took care of in the ICU in 2021, except one, had an “Unknown” vaccination status. How could that be? How come only one ICU patient of mine in the entire year was reported as being “fully vaccinated?” Even if the vaccines worked really well (which I knew they didn’t), something was off, like really off.

There was only one hypothesis I could come up with to reconcile these observations. I suspected that during the admission process to the hospital, there must have been some sort of barrier to deeming someone “vaccinated.” I hypothesized that in order to be documented as vaccinated on admission, you had to have received the vaccine from a primary care physician’s clinic who worked for that same hospital system in a system office, and that they had already documented in the electronic medical record. If you got a vaccine from anywhere else outside that hospital system’s clinic, you were assigned an “Unknown”, i.e. “Unvaccinated” status in the electronic medical record.

And lo and behold, Linda confirmed this was the case in one major health system she worked at. What I found most striking is that she worked in two different hospital systems, in one (the smaller one) it was very easy to document a patient in the record as vaccinated. The admitting nurse could accept any documentation, from a Walgreen’s card to even a verbal report from the patient or family and they could put it in the record on admission and the patient would show up as “vaccinated” on the main screen sidebar.

In the other, larger, major (and I mean major) health system she worked in, if the patient received the vaccine from anywhere but an employed provider’s clinic within the health system (even if the patient had a vaccine card on them), she was forced to put it in an “open field” buried on page 2 of the initial nursing assessment where nobody, and certainly no physician looked for it. All these patients were automatically documented on the main screen as “Unknown”, i.e “Unvaccinated”, even if the dates of each shot were entered into that nursing note field.

This process is what led the vast majority of U.S doctors to become convinced that the only people dying in hospitals were the unvaccinated. Which made perfect sense, I mean, the vaccinators did not want anyone to know the vaccines were not preventing hospital or death, so it would be helpful to their mission if they could make everyone think that all hospital patients were unvaccinated. This way, all the health care workers would get vaccinated out of fear of dying and would also aggressively insist that all their patients and family members get vaccinated. Which is what happened. It is also why a large percentage of the population (at least the ones I meet at lectures, conferences, and symposia) no longer want to see a “system doctor” or go to a “system hospital,” no matter how grand their brand/reputation once was. Fun fact: a long-time donor of large annual gifts to the Mayo clinic.. decided to direct their donation to the FLCCC this year because they felt the Mayo Clinic had departed from their founding principles and mission. Go FLCCC.

The system docs behaved this way because they saw with their own eyes, “the (false) reality” of what would happen if you were unvaccinated. This, combined with the medical journal propaganda publishing only favorable and selective analyses of vaccine efficacy and safety drove nearly all the nation's doctors to go completely mad.

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Stepping22's avatar

Nicely put together. It all makes bleeding sense now...

Thanks so much. I have always said, understanding the true story behind the data is very key.

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DF's avatar

Another way to put it is when it comes to statistics, "garbage in garbage out."

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Faith&FitnessMama's avatar

Another thing to consider...wasn’t the Delta variant caused by the vaccine to begin with....the virus mutated as a result of vaccinating so many people all at once? Also, my understanding was that because the shots were not effective at preventing Covid, vaccinated people could carry and thus spread Covid without symptoms so many of the unvaccinated ended up getting the delta variant from vaccinated people. I was exposed on multiple occasions prior to the vaccine roll-out and never got Covid but I got the Delta variant in the fall of 2021.

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Stepping22's avatar

Perhaps the difference between neutralising and "tolerating - non neutralising" antibodies...

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MikeJ's avatar

Weekly up to date covid stats for New Zealand here: https://spidercatnz.com/topic/nz-covid-stats/

Unfortunately the death stats are "muddied" by combining the unvaccinated with those that have had one or two doses...ie not "fully vaccinated". And no doubt the statistical slight of hand of not being properly classified till 14 days has elapsed from being jabbed also plays a part.

Where I live in rural northern NZ I don't know anyone who has been affected by covid, but know a number of people affected with vaccine injuries. My area is well known for a much higher number of unvaccinated. Mandates didn't have much effect on the self-employed.

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T220's avatar

Funny how they did the same thing in Canada. And as it became clear that the vaxxed were being hospitalized more than the unvaxxed they stopped tracking. Did they do that in New Zealand too?

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MikeJ's avatar

Yes. Early last year covid stats were updated everyday at 1pm. Health Dept published graphs of cases, hospitalized, and deaths by vaccine status with 4 groups, unvac'd, 1, 2, and boosted. Initially unvac'd started high, then dropped below 1,2 and 3 for cases..then by mid April hospitalized unvac'd was lower than the 1,2 and 3 shots. I mentioned to my wife in April that the death rates of unvac'd will fall below the shot lines by mid June and that just before that happens the Govt will stop publishing these graphs. I was spot on.

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T220's avatar

Exact same script in Canada. Funny that.

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Aussie17's avatar

yeah, always muddying the data 🤮

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AussieManDust's avatar

Isael study is out now, saying 74% of vax deaths (including the first 14 days after jab ;) are associated with the Emergency Authorisation Use mRNA Gene altering jabs. Western Australian data points to same. Coin 🪙... drop...

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